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Uh, right cutout for the old sink...
Oooooooh! Well yeah, I’m not even bothering to remove the sink from the old top. It better fit, lol. I’ll see if I can just set the old top (with sink) on top of the new base. Might have to do a little engineering, but I’m probably overqualified for that part.
 
Apparently, I have to have the new sink installed before the tops can be accurately designed. This puzzles me. The new sink is an under mount, which requires a top to attach to. There’s times when I wonder how I was talked into this debacle and how kitchen remodelers retain any semblance of sanity. This damn sink is becoming a simile to the chicken/egg paradigm. If the question “why did the sink cross the road” gets asked, the clear answer is “because Tim threw it over there”.
 
Apparently, I have to have the new sink installed before the tops can be accurately designed. This puzzles me. The new sink is an under mount, which requires a top to attach to. There’s times when I wonder how I was talked into this debacle and how kitchen remodelers retain any semblance of sanity. This damn sink is becoming a simile to the chicken/egg paradigm. If the question “why did the sink cross the road” gets asked, the clear answer is “because Tim threw it over there”.
Give the granite guys the sink, they know what to do. Even an above-mount sink cannot be installed in mid-air, there needs to be something holding it up. In other words, there's no sink you can install before the countertops are installed.
 
Give the granite guys the sink, they know what to do. Even an above-mount sink cannot be installed in mid-air, there needs to be something holding it up. In other words, there's no sink you can install before the countertops are installed.
Well, that’s the way I figured it should work, but maybe they know some tricks I don’t. I’m kinda thinking that they want me to go through all the shenanigans (and expense) of cutting a piece of 3/4” plywood so they can just take it out and use it for a template to cut the top. I have the new sink now, and maybe I’ll investigate the possibility of making the old counter top work “good enough” to hold the new sink and let them spend their money to make a proper template.

Two more cabinets assembled and installed today, finishing up the stove side wall. Two left, the sink base and another 3-drawer unit. Those 21” 3-drawer bases are HEAVY. Some pretty sweet self closing glides, very well built. Drawers are all old school dove tail corners with 1 screw, and the fronts are easily removed for cleaning/painting as needed. The ONLY MDF in these cabinets is the panels in the shaker doors. Pretty stoked about the quality.

The missus is very happy with the installation. Got a couple small fillers to put in, caulk, then on to trim, flooring, tops and splash. My turn next to rebuild the old shed into the brew kitchen.

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The missus is making good headway moving all her stuff back in.
 
Give the granite guys the sink, they know what to do. Even an above-mount sink cannot be installed in mid-air, there needs to be something holding it up. In other words, there's no sink you can install before the countertops are installed.
Oh common now, all you have to do is connect the Flux Capactor to the Anti Gravity Jack and it will hold its position for as long as needed.
 
Ha! "New" cabinets for the brew shed! Bonus!

I can't speak for your granite installers, but the ones I used to use up north have a big honkin' database of every sink made by every manufacturer, and the correct size cut out to make for each. All they have to do is measure where the center of that cabinet is and they should be good to go. Of course, your mileage may vary.
 
Ha! "New" cabinets for the brew shed! Bonus!

I can't speak for your granite installers, but the ones I used to use up north have a big honkin' database of every sink made by every manufacturer, and the correct size cut out to make for each. All they have to do is measure where the center of that cabinet is and they should be good to go. Of course, your mileage may vary.
That’s EXACTLY what I’m afraid of. After much ado about how far a farmhouse sink is supposed to stick out and how long the side panels were on the sink, and how it was mechanically impossible to put something 31 or 33 inches wide in a hole that’s 30 inches wide, I was forced to scrap everything I did yesterday to make the sink fit. Much input from someone who has tons of experience of looking stuff up on Youtube (which is a great place to get very bad information), yet ZERO practical experience in actual carpentry or cabinetry(or much of anything else for that matter) the missus’ expert youngest decides to start arguing with me about things I helped my grandfather with before his mother was even a good itch. Being the wonderful protective mother she is, when she knew I was close hammering him about the difference in a GED with no work experience other than fast food and arcade part-time jobs versus a bachelors degree in electrical engineering and nearly 50 years of experience with a lot of different work, she ganged up with him and stopped my plan. UNTIL I figured out how to make her understand that the simply was not going to fit the new base without some serious modifications to the base or the sink. The slot. Once I got that message proven, she figured she’s better off going with experience over blood relationship, which of course made her little snowflake butthurt. Don’t think he’ll be helping me much more. A little bit of know-it-all attitude from someone I know has ZERO experience with what I’m trying to do is basically like a lit fuse. Best for them to RUN. Just because her dad was a master builder there is no reason to think that knowledge and talent genetically passed on. What a fun day yesterday was. About all I got accomplished was cutting the slot wider and deeper to prove everything I tried to explain with measurements and geometry.

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Pretty sure that sink shouldn’t stick out that far,(and the missus finally agreed) regardless of the style or the instructions (none except WRONG cutout dimensions). So I gotta widen the slot a bit to let the sink go farther back and design some temporary clamps. The hardware that came with the sink is one-time use, i.e. designed to be used on a solid stone top that’s already installed. I’m not wasting it on plywood.
 
@RoadRoach are you planning on doing some flooring?
Yep. Gonna continue this into the kitchen.
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And this is what I came up with for mounting the new sink.

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The flange of the sink is pinched between the two layers of 3/4” plywood with a groove I cut with the router. I also rounded the edges of the front and inner edge of the cutout to best approximate the look of the anticipated stone top. I can remove the sink and top by removing nine 1” screws.

I didn’t have the distraction of a second expert in the room telling me I was wrong about everything today, so I found a way to make the distance that the sink sticks out completely adjustable. Lucky for me, this time I got it exactly where the missus wants it. We’ll probably test fit it tonight.

Unfortunately, while I was quite agitated yesterday, I didn’t account for the thickness of one of the layers of plywood, so I now have a small patch on the front panel just below the front lip of the sink. It’s low, probably not really noticeable, but will bug the crap outta me until I fix it. I still have the scrap I cut out, so should get a good match line and will touch it up with a paint pen when all the installation is done. Shouldn’t require much filler to repair.
 
Yep. Gonna continue this into the kitchen.
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And this is what I came up with for mounting the new sink.

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The flange of the sink is pinched between the two layers of 3/4” plywood with a groove I cut with the router. I also rounded the edges of the front and inner edge of the cutout to best approximate the look of the anticipated stone top. I can remove the sink and top by removing nine 1” screws.

I didn’t have the distraction of a second expert in the room telling me I was wrong about everything today, so I found a way to make the distance that the sink sticks out completely adjustable. Lucky for me, this time I got it exactly where the missus wants it. We’ll probably test fit it tonight.

Unfortunately, while I was quite agitated yesterday, I didn’t account for the thickness of one of the layers of plywood, so I now have a small patch on the front panel just below the front lip of the sink. It’s low, probably not really noticeable, but will bug the crap outta me until I fix it. I still have the scrap I cut out, so should get a good match line and will touch it up with a paint pen when all the installation is done. Shouldn’t require much filler to repair.
easier to fix panted than solid wood, it should be fine but depending on the thickness of the countertops, not all are the same some are 1.5" some are just built up with thick edge banding, I'm guessing you've contacted them?
 
easier to fix panted than solid wood, it should be fine but depending on the thickness of the countertops, not all are the same some are 1.5" some are just built up with thick edge banding, I'm guessing you've contacted them?
That’s the order of business. We’re getting estimates right now for tops. I have a butcher block top for one short one, but the rest will be quartz. I already told the missus I need to know how thick the different vendors’ tops are. Then I can lay a leveling rail at the front and back edges of the cabinets. Shooting for a 36” height.
 
That’s the order of business. We’re getting estimates right now for tops. I have a butcher block top for one short one, but the rest will be quartz. I already told the missus I need to know how thick the different vendors’ tops are. Then I can lay a leveling rail at the front and back edges of the cabinets. Shooting for a 36” height.
and don't forget that sink is a head knocker when getting into that cabinet, ask me how I know
 
and don't forget that sink is a head knocker when getting into that cabinet, ask me how I know
Well aware of it, trust me. As agreed on, it protrudes about 4 inches in the center. Gladly it’s her that goes under there a lot more than me. I’m running flexible hoses for supply lines. No soft drawn copper for me, thanks. Even pvc or pex would be aggravating under a sink. I put all new hardware on the drain, so should only have to compensate for height and depth dimensions. New drain connectors are quite a bit lower than the original, but that means shorter pipes. I can make any pipe shorter. But I lost my pipe stretcher and sky hooks a long time ago. We’re also putting a vinyl drip mat in the bottom for leak protection. Looks like it’ll hold a couple gallons before it runs over.
 
Well aware of it, trust me. As agreed on, it protrudes about 4 inches in the center. Gladly it’s her that goes under there a lot more than me. I’m running flexible hoses for supply lines. No soft drawn copper for me, thanks. Even pvc or pex would be aggravating under a sink. I put all new hardware on the drain, so should only have to compensate for height and depth dimensions. New drain connectors are quite a bit lower than the original, but that means shorter pipes. I can make any pipe shorter. But I lost my pipe stretcher and sky hooks a long time ago. We’re also putting a vinyl drip mat in the bottom for leak protection. Looks like it’ll hold a couple gallons before it runs over.
I'm currently redoing the whole house in pex, my lessons are start big and only short runs with 1/2"
 
Got a couple mods to make on the support for the sink to close in the corners and cootie proof it a little. I just used the 1/4”plywood that was part of the packaging for the sink to extend the sides to put a false top on the box. Bought a sheet of 1/4 in plywood today for making a back (it came without a closed back unlike the rest of the cabinets) and replace the side supports for the top. Also need to get a sheet of 1/2” plywood to duplicate the bottom layer of the sink top, which will be permanent. I found out all the tops we’re looking at are 3 cm (1.118”) meaning the rail has to be about 1/2” thick to maintain 36” height. I’m not really offended by a 36-1/4” height, though, but 3/4 plywood is a lot more expensive than 1/2”.

Still looking good on the budget though. Looks like it’s going to be about $15K for a complete overhaul of the kitchen. Should add at least double that to the value of the house.
 
easier to fix panted than solid wood, it should be fine but depending on the thickness of the countertops, not all are the same some are 1.5" some are just built up with thick edge banding, I'm guessing you've contacted them?
Yeah, it’s also a dark (marine) blue, which will hide my booboo even better. This “screwup” is far from being my worst. I found a wire (the hatd way) with a screw while installing one of the cabinets on the wall with the stove. Fortunately for me, it immediately tripped the main lighting breaker (shutting off all non-240V circuits), but I was not pleased. So I gotta cut another hole in the wall to find and fix it (cut the wire, install a j-box, and replace the part that I damaged). Only 3 outlets on that circuit, one where the fridge used to be, one on the east wall of the dining room, and one by the DR window.). The direct short says I probably got both neutral and hot with the screw. It’s only a couple feet from a receptacle so can’t be too hard to repair. Strangely, it tripped the breaker for the countertop outlets and the main lighting breaker. Reset all, but now the one for the old fridge plug trips. Weird. I already changed the first outlet on the countertop outlets to a GFCI. So all in all it’s just another patch in the wall. I’ve already replaced nearly 50% of the sheet rock on that wall. It’s behind a cabinet, so I don’t have to put a pretty finish on it.
 
just in case you run into a problem there is something we called scribe mold we put over seams and against the wall, don't be afraid to use it
 
just in case you run into a problem there is something we called scribe mold we put over seams and against the wall, don't be afraid to use it
All over that for the corners of nonvertical walls and vertical cabinets. And left enough room at the top edge of the wall cabinets for small crown molding. That saves a ton of time cutting in and looks a lot cleaner than trying to paint into corners. Moulding is my friend for hiding original construction screwups. I absolutely despise quarter round, though. I call that stuff dirt collectors.

The amount of lean in the walls is as much as a full inch in this house. Just pick a direction, any direction. Guess the builder couldn’t see the sloppy work from his house.
 
Assembled the last two cabinets and plumbed the new sink. The missus is very happy with her new sink. Our kitchen is fully functional again sans new tops. Gonna clean up the 20 year old dishwasher that we never used (plumbing leaks) and get it hooked up to clean the inside. A couple wash cycles should do as well as fully test the new drain plumbing with boiling water pumped at high volume. Might help clean out some grease buildup I saw in the pipes too. One cabinet still not in its permanent position because it’s balancing a chunk of the old top for now.
 

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Assembled the last two cabinets and plumbed the new sink. The missus is very happy with her new sink. Our kitchen is fully functional again sans new tops. Gonna clean up the 20 year old dishwasher that we never used (plumbing leaks) and get it hooked up to clean the inside. A couple wash cycles should do as well as fully test the new drain plumbing with boiling water pumped at high volume. Might help clean out some grease buildup I saw in the pipes too. One cabinet still not in its permanent position because it’s balancing a chunk of the old top for now.
All this work and you're hooking up a 20 year old dishwasher??
Hopefully that works out.
Looking great so far!
Cheers,
Brian
 

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