Kolsch v Kolsch

[Sandy Feet]

They are in Asheville.

 

[Bigbre04]

They are in Asheville.

interesting. i have no idea how much they are. Being that they are probably not very big, they are likely in the $1-1.10/lb range. boutique grain from asheville lol

 

[Brew Cat]

you all made me nervous so I've been ordering more grain. Howdy Brewing has Weyerman Bohemian Pilsner at a $1.30/ lb then 15% gets it to about $1.10

 

[Bigbre04]

you all made me nervous so I've been ordering more grain. Howdy Brewing has Weyerman Bohemian Pilsner at a $1.30/ lb then 15% gets it to about $1.10

Don't be. I'm ordering it by the pallet from a brewery supply company. If you are ordering it by the pound that seems like a good price to me?

 

[Sandy Feet]

It is a good price.

 

[YaroBeer]

keep it simple
https://www.bjcp.org/style/2015/5/5B/kolsch/
I made Kolsch some time ago and it went quite well

• Volume : 27.0 L

Qty	name	malthouse	add	Color
4 kg	Malt Pilsner	Weyermann	Mash	3 EBC	85.1 %
500 g	Malt Vienna	Weyermann	Mash	6 EBC	10.6 %
100 g	Malt Wheat	Weyermann	Mash	4 EBC	2.1 %
100 g	Malt Caramunich II	Weyermann	Mash	120 EBC	2.1 %

Hops

Qty	name	Alpha	When	Time	IBU
10 g	Nugget	13.0 %	Boil	60 minutes	13.4
20 g	Tradition	6.0 %	Boil	20 minutes	7.1
20 g	Tradition	6.0 %	Flame-out	10 minutes / 90°C	2

 

[Sanctuary Brewing]

very interesting that you would say that. What is the reasoning for that?

Since you're using the recipe editor here, click the more button and you will see what styles your recipe matches. I Imported your recipe and this is what you should see. No Kolsh in that list. If you haven't I'd recommend picking up a book by Ray Daniels - Designing Great Beers I still look it over every time I create a new recipe.

 

[Brew Cat]

Since you're using the recipe editor here, click the more button and you will see what styles your recipe matches. I Imported your recipe and this is what you should see. No Kolsh in that list. If you haven't I'd recommend picking up a book by Ray Daniels - Designing Great Beers I still look it over every time I create a new recipe.

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Well if you put in a Kolsch recipe blonde ale would come up. That particular feature of the editor is worthless IMO

 

[Sanctuary Brewing]

Well if you put in a Kolsch recipe blonde ale would come up. That particular feature of the editor is worthless IMO

It's a guide, not exact. But if kolsh is nowhere on the list of suggest styles, that should raise a red flag.

 

[Bigbre04]

It's a guide, not exact. But if kolsh is nowhere on the list of suggest styles, that should raise a red flag.

the beer is actually cold and carbonated, waiting on kegs at the moment. It is very good and i would confidently call it a kolsch. That being said i dont know that i will call it a kolsch since im dealing with so many people that dont know what a kolsch is. I will probably package it tomorrow if i am able to get the kegs i need. 3 tanks crashed and carbed, need 16 1/2s have 0 ATM. Im going to fill my last fermenter on wednesday once i figure out what i am going to brew. gotta crank out some brews as im going to be on vacation for a week at the end of the month.

 

[Sanctuary Brewing]

the beer is actually cold and carbonated, waiting on kegs at the moment. It is very good and i would confidently call it a kolsch. That being said i dont know that i will call it a kolsch since im dealing with so many people that dont know what a kolsch is. I will probably package it tomorrow if i am able to get the kegs i need. 3 tanks crashed and carbed, need 16 1/2s have 0 ATM. Im going to fill my last fermenter on wednesday once i figure out what i am going to brew. gotta crank out some brews as im going to be on vacation for a week at the end of the month.

Great. Nobody is arguing that you didn't make a tasty beer. You asked why somebody challenged you that it wasn't a kolsh and we provided our feedback.
You might have 10 people tell your beer is a kolsh and 10 who won't. My first Irish red I thought was really good. My mentor was disappointed, not in the beer itself, but for the fact that I didn't give him what I said I was giving him. He said it was a delicious English red ale, but not an Irish red.

You're going to be scrutinized over style no matter what. We're not trying to pick a fight, we're just saying most BJCP judges might not consider what you made is a kolsh or not. But like others have said, brew what to want to drink.

 

[Brew Cat]

are BJCP judges still a thing ? Just kidding

the beer is actually cold and carbonated, waiting on kegs at the moment. It is very good and i would confidently call it a kolsch. That being said i dont know that i will call it a kolsch since im dealing with so many people that dont know what a kolsch is. I will probably package it tomorrow if i am able to get the kegs i need. 3 tanks crashed and carbed, need 16 1/2s have 0 ATM. Im going to fill my last fermenter on wednesday once i figure out what i am going to brew. gotta crank out some brews as im going to be on vacation for a week at the end of the month.

well call it a blond ale then which in my opinion is not a style but people think they know what it is so will order it. Any self respecting beer snob probably wouldn't order a blond ale so you know your audience better than us

 

[Bigbre04]

Great. Nobody is arguing that you didn't make a tasty beer. You asked why somebody challenged you that it wasn't a kolsh and we provided our feedback.
You might have 10 people tell your beer is a kolsh and 10 who won't. My first Irish red I thought was really good. My mentor was disappointed, not in the beer itself, but for the fact that I didn't give him what I said I was giving him. He said it was a delicious English red ale, but not an Irish red.

You're going to be scrutinized over style no matter what. We're not trying to pick a fight, we're just saying most BJCP judges might not consider what you made is a kolsh or not. But like others have said, brew what to want to drink.

It doesn't really matter how you get a beer as long as it tastes the way it was expected to taste and looks the part it doesn't matter what the recipe looks like.

My ipa recipe is very different then one made at Sierra Nevada, but if they both taste like ipas??

Does that make sense?



I was saying that most of my drinkers are not serious beer people. So explaining what a kolsch is is very tedious. Same thing with an altbeir or a dunkel. The sunburned redneck from Ohio who asked for a budlight In a brewpub isn't gonna listen or understand the distinction? I will likely call it a golden ale for my bartenders sanity.

 

[dmtaylor]

are BJCP judges still a thing ? Just kidding

Yes but many judges really suck at their job.

well call it a blond ale then which in my opinion is not a style but people think they know what it is so will order it. Any self respecting beer snob probably wouldn't order a blond ale so you know your audience better than us

Yes it's a style, and snobby as I might be, I love the style and would buy it any day.

BJCP Certified #A0511

 

[Brew Cat]

Im not saying it's nut in the BJCP rule book but is it a redundant entry. it's a catch ale beer IMO . Now a Belgian Blond is a beer style it's a Belgian Pale Ale brewed with Belgian yeast. So like the argument above can you call a beer a Kolsch without Kolsch yeast or a Belgian beer a Belgian beer without Belgian yeast. Actually now that breweries around here anyway seem to have more Pilsner and Kolsch on tap so haven't seen the American blonde ale around much. Do see Stella though

 

[dmtaylor]

Kolsch is certainly more trendy than "blonde ale". It could be the next "IPA" which is neither pale, nor always an ale, nor has anything to do with India at all whatsoever!

American bastardizations make me wanna yell at the clouds.

 

[Brew Cat]

Funny story
My nephew lived in Cologne about 25 years ago. His son was born there. He helped me brew this weekend and mentioned Kolsch. I explained that it was brewed in Köln. He said oh was that what I was drinking in the funny glasses?