IBU's

[Chip99]

10 lbs Pale Ale, 12 oz Carapils, 16 oz flaked oats, 16 oz flaked wheat. Hops schedule... 1oz mosaic 10 min, 1oz azacca 5 min, 1oz mosaic 1 min, 1 oz asacca 1 min. 75% efficiency, OG 1.070. FG 1.018, ABV 6.8, IBU 24.5. 5 gallon batch, fermentis safale S-04... Chip

Of course who in the hell is going to get 75% efficiency???? God maybe and only because He can... Chip

 

[Sandy Feet]

I won't get 75 for sure. I have a different grain bill for my hazy. I liked everything about it EXCEPT I didn't go far enough on the hops the last time. That is why I was asking for help on another thread, I use a Pils/2 Row mix, I use wheat but no Carapils (that is what the wheat is for), and a little C40 for sweetness and color. I also very much liked the White Labs Coastal Haze Yeast the last time. It looks like I was fermenting around 70 on the last batch, and that yeast liked it.

 

[Chip99]

I won't get 75 for sure. I have a different grain bill for my hazy. I liked everything about it EXCEPT I didn't go far enough on the hops the last time. That is why I was asking for help on another thread, I use a Pils/2 Row mix, I use wheat but no Carapils (that is what the wheat is for), and a little C40 for sweetness and color. I also very much liked the White Labs Coastal Haze Yeast the last time. It looks like I was fermenting around 70 on the last batch, and that yeast liked it.

Yeah no doubt 75 is what they use so they can advertise the kit at the higher ABV they are showing. 65 would be awesome as I think, by playing with the calculators, I'm only getting 60... Chip

 

[Bigbre04]

Yeah no doubt 75 is what they use so they can advertise the kit at the higher ABV they are showing. 65 would be awesome as I think, by playing with the calculators, I'm only getting 60... Chip

I mean im running at a consistent 80% and my previous brewhouse was in the 90s....but it was a 4 vessel 30bbl fully automated setup. advanced level homebrewing lol.

 

[Dave Y]

I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but I’ve broken 75% efficiency according to Brewer’s Friend calculations the last 9 out of 10 brews. I tried to document equipment and process in this thread, because from the first few brews using the all in one I was down at 60-62%. It took a lot of process refinement to get to regularly getting the 70-72% most recipes quote. I did a lot of youtube watching, but, if I’m honest, some of them would have taken me in the wrong direction ... or well, off on a parallel track. I saw some that were throwing shade on the recirculation system, abandon the malt pipe, etc. I didn’t go that far and ended up talking to Anvil. They were very helpful and their suggestions did work and improved my efficiency.

I know for me, it was easy to get frustrated at first, the internet chatter was all about how great all in one systems were, then I was doomscrolling for hours on problems with all in one systems. Weeding through all of that was a pain and you’re usually not positioned to instantly test whether or not it works.

That’s where forums like this - and threads like this one helps to sort out some of the better ideas that should help.

You’ll get there Chip !

 

[Bigbre04]

I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but I’ve broken 75% efficiency according to Brewer’s Friend calculations the last 9 out of 10 brews. I tried to document equipment and process in this thread, because from the first few brews using the all in one I was down at 60-62%. It took a lot of process refinement to get to regularly getting the 70-72% most recipes quote. I did a lot of youtube watching, but, if I’m honest, some of them would have taken me in the wrong direction ... or well, off on a parallel track. I saw some that were throwing shade on the recirculation system, abandon the malt pipe, etc. I didn’t go that far and ended up talking to Anvil. They were very helpful and their suggestions did work and improved my efficiency.

I know for me, it was easy to get frustrated at first, the internet chatter was all about how great all in one systems were, then I was doomscrolling for hours on problems with all in one systems. Weeding through all of that was a pain and you’re usually not positioned to instantly test whether or not it works.

That’s where forums like this - and threads like this one helps to sort out some of the better ideas that should help.

You’ll get there Chip !

I am running an all in one Braumiester 200L setup. I am not familiar with the anvils, but i have close to 200 brews on this system in the last 2 years. I would be happy to help process wise. I am at a consistent 80% on my smaller beer with bigger ones in the 78% range.

I just created a thread in the beginning brewers area about all in ones. happy to help and maybe we can all get better together!

 

[Sandy Feet]

It is the equipment that we have. Mine is normally 60s, usually low 60s. I have seen an explanation about a high water to grain ratio in BIAB for that. I'm ok with it. I add more grain, no problem for 5 gallons. I can live with buying a pound or two of extra grain so I can use a single vessel and make my life easy long as it is predictable.

 

[Zambi]

It is the equipment that we have. Mine is normally 60s, usually low 60s. I have seen an explanation about a high water to grain ratio in BIAB for that. I'm ok with it. I add more grain, no problem for 5 gallons. I can live with buying a pound or two of extra grain so I can use a single vessel and make my life easy long as it is predictable.

Thats interesting...
I have a lower water to grain ratio as I dilute towards the end of the brew or during the boil (1.3 kg grains in 7.5 litre water)
I generally get around 72-73%

 

[Sandy Feet]

I'm starting with 8 gallons of water. Mine is high, and that would make some sense.
It is 8 before the mash, 7 after the bag is drained, and 6 after the boil. It depends on the beer how much gets in the fermenter.

 

[Zambi]

I'm starting with 8 gallons of water. Mine is high, and that would make some sense.
It is 8 before the mash, 7 after the bag is drained, and 6 after the boil. It depends on the beer how much gets in the fermenter.

Roughly how much grain?
For lets say a 4-5 % beer?

 

[Sandy Feet]

It depends on what I make. I normally go 5-6% and from maybe 11.5-12lbs on a lager to 14.5 on a Porter with some flaked oats. Saisons are a bit lower because of the yeast.

 

[HighVoltageMan!]

I am at a consistent 80% on my smaller beer with bigger ones in the 78% range.

For an All-in-One that's really good. Typically it can be tough to get that high, you trade a simpler system and a smaller foot print for the price of a little extra grain.

I have a a traditional 3 vessel RIMS system that I have brewing on for @ 15 years. They have some of the most efficient extraction rates at the price of taking up a lot of room, but I really like brewing on it.

I started out @ 80% and over the years I have massaged my methods and now I'm getting 87-92% extraction rate. I have squeezed the extra extract by watching my mash pH and improving flow with wet milling and exogenous enzymes (geek!). It's possible to get nearly 95% extraction rate from some domestic grain (German Munich malt is always lower, 80% or so). There is a downside to it, you end up with a starting boil gravity really close or even higher than the target gravity. It's become kind of a game to see what I can get out of the mash.

The extra space it takes up and the extra pots to clean can become a pain. If I were starting out now, I would likely have an All-in-One just for the simplicity.

 

[Bigbre04]

For an All-in-One that's really good. Typically it can be tough to get that high, you trade a simpler system and a smaller foot print for the price of a little extra grain.

I have a a traditional 3 vessel RIMS system that I have brewing on for @ 15 years. They have some of the most efficient extraction rates at the price of taking up a lot of room, but I really like brewing on it.

I started out @ 80% and over the years I have massaged my methods and now I'm getting 87-92% extraction rate. I have squeezed the extra extract by watching my mash pH and improving flow with wet milling and exogenous enzymes (geek!). It's possible to get nearly 95% extraction rate from some domestic grain (German Munich malt is always lower, 80% or so). There is a downside to it, you end up with a starting boil gravity really close or even higher than the target gravity. It's become kind of a game to see what I can get out of the mash.

The extra space it takes up and the extra pots to clean can become a pain. If I were starting out now, I would likely have an All-in-One just for the simplicity.

Exactly. I love pushing the system to its limits. we were in the 90s on that big system. Lauter tun size is SUPER important to efficiency. The wider and thinner the bed the better(when properly designed).

I am double mashing in on this little system and still walking out the door right at 8hrs. If i didnt have to mash in twice i would have a sub 6hr day. Previous spot we were shift brewing 8hrs first turn, 6 hrs after that. we rarely ran more then 2 shifts, but we could have done 120bbls in 24hrs on that system with 3-4 shifts(leading into the next day obviously).

I was eyeing up oil fired brewhouses. for whenever i get touch more room.

 

[Zambi]

It depends on what I make. I normally go 5-6% and from maybe 11.5-12lbs on a lager to 14.5 on a Porter with some flaked oats. Saisons are a bit lower because of the yeast.

Not much difference in grain/water ratio compared to mine.
So the extra efficiency I got has to come from sparging

 

[Chip99]

I’m not trying to toot my own horn here, but I’ve broken 75% efficiency according to Brewer’s Friend calculations the last 9 out of 10 brews. I tried to document equipment and process in this thread, because from the first few brews using the all in one I was down at 60-62%. It took a lot of process refinement to get to regularly getting the 70-72% most recipes quote. I did a lot of youtube watching, but, if I’m honest, some of them would have taken me in the wrong direction ... or well, off on a parallel track. I saw some that were throwing shade on the recirculation system, abandon the malt pipe, etc. I didn’t go that far and ended up talking to Anvil. They were very helpful and their suggestions did work and improved my efficiency.

I know for me, it was easy to get frustrated at first, the internet chatter was all about how great all in one systems were, then I was doomscrolling for hours on problems with all in one systems. Weeding through all of that was a pain and you’re usually not positioned to instantly test whether or not it works.

That’s where forums like this - and threads like this one helps to sort out some of the better ideas that should help.

You’ll get there Chip !

I broke the code today!!! I used many of your recommendations on how your use your Anvil all in one. So I did extensive use of the recirc. Almost constant unless volume was getting too high in the kettle. I started taking temps in the grain bed instead of relying on the temp indicator of my all in one (where the temp monitor is in the bottom of the kettle). My temps in the grain bed were a full 20 degrees LOWER than the all in one was indicating (around 140 with a 158 in the liquid at the bottom of the kettle)!!! I kept recirc going and lots of stirring keeping the grain bed fairly fluid. It was a long process with the sparge getting it to drain. Worked at getting the temp up in the grain bed and increased the mash time from 60-75 minutes. In the future I will up the strike temp for the mash. I was thinking because I have an all in one with temp control that I did not need to compensate for the additions of the grains. But now thinking about it seriously if you are adding 13 lbs of 70 degree grain to your 5 gallons of 152 water, the grains are NOT going to be at that temp!!! Anyway this is the highest before boil and FG I've ever had. 1.058 pre boil and 1.062 FG! Measurements confirmed on both refractometer and hydrometer (identical). Allowed samples to cool to 70 degrees to insure accuracy. Anyway I'm learning with every brew session which is great. And thanks for your help... Chip

 

[Sandy Feet]

Sometimes you just have to do the shit on your system to figure it out.

 

[Dave Y]

Awesome !