W3068 dud

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pretty sure I got bad yeast :(

been in the fermentor for 2 days, no activity at all. it was shipped in a thermal pack with a cool pack, but I think its dead.


guess I will go to the local store tommorow
 
Whoever sold you the yeast - plus a cool pack - should replace it. But give it 72 hours just in case. Did you make a starter?
 
Whoever sold you the yeast - plus a cool pack - should replace it. But give it 72 hours just in case. Did you make a starter?
I ussualy do, but didnt this time. purposely trying to get some of the esters to come out by under pitching. if it is not at least showing some life by tommorow. I will get another one.

I doubt they will replace it. they warn of summer time liquid yeast shipping. I can get more locally if I need to.
 
so looks like it might go after all. 3 1/2 days later, and it is 4 points down, lol. no bubbles yet, but it does seem to be starting, painfully slow.
 
I've experimented on my last couple batches using Wyeast smack packs without a starter. 3068 was within 2 months of the use by date but still took off in about a day and made a delicious dunkleweizen. 3944 was just over a month from the use by and that one gave me a scare. It was going on 3 days and I thought I was going to have to go to the LHBS to get some emergency dry yeast but it started and seems to have come out all right. I'm definitely taking @Donoroto 's approach in the future though and building a small emergency stockpile of dry yeast. I probably won't go starter-less again though unless I'm going for a deliberate underpitch.
 
I've experimented on my last couple batches using Wyeast smack packs without a starter. 3068 was within 2 months of the use by date but still took off in about a day and made a delicious dunkleweizen. 3944 was just over a month from the use by and that one gave me a scare. It was going on 3 days and I thought I was going to have to go to the LHBS to get some emergency dry yeast but it started and seems to have come out all right. I'm definitely taking @Donoroto 's approach in the future though and building a small emergency stockpile of dry yeast. I probably won't go starter-less again though unless I'm going for a deliberate underpitch.
first time in years I havent used a starter. (although never used this strain) I am going for an underpitch, but I still think it was compromised from 3 days in the heat in transit.
 
first time in years I havent used a starter. (although never used this strain) I am going for an underpitch, but I still think it was compromised from 3 days in the heat in transit.
Yeah I know some suppliers actually recommend not ordering liquid yeast during the summer months because they can't guarantee the temperatures it'll be exposed to, even shipped with an ice pack. It sucks cause you don't really want to be limited to dry yeast in the summer
 
Yeah I know some suppliers actually recommend not ordering liquid yeast during the summer months because they can't guarantee the temperatures it'll be exposed to, even shipped with an ice pack. It sucks cause you don't really want to be limited to dry yeast in the summer
ya, I have had good luck with this vendor in the past, even in summer. but it was extra hot this time.
 
You don't mention the manufacturing date. How old was the packet? Liquid yeast loses up to 20% of it's live cell count per month. Unless you've got a pack that's less than 4-6 weeks old, you may be underpitching by quite a bit.
 
You don't mention the manufacturing date. How old was the packet? Liquid yeast loses up to 20% of it's live cell count per month. Unless you've got a pack that's less than 4-6 weeks old, you may be underpitching by quite a bit.
Said it was made in June
 
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so looks like it might go after all. 3 1/2 days later, and it is 4 points down, lol. no bubbles yet, but it does seem to be starting, painfully slow.

I'm not surprised at the very long lag time as you basically double-underpitched; lower pitch rate plus minimally viable yeast. But, seems like fermentation is going now. I'm very interested in your results. I almost always create a starter as well but, have been tempted to try and skip it as a test. But, I usually chicken out and make a starter. Never want to be accused of abusing alcohol! :D
 
I'm not surprised at the very long lag time as you basically double-underpitched; lower pitch rate plus minimally viable yeast. But, seems like fermentation is going now. I'm very interested in your results. I almost always create a starter as well but, have been tempted to try and skip it as a test. But, I usually chicken out and make a starter. Never want to be accused of abusing alcohol! :D
We shall see. Its going like crazy now. Dropped 20 pts today
 
Said it was made in June
That's not too bad for an ale...I'd say that the summer transport is responsible for dropping your cell count. Good that it finally got going for you. :)
 
More adventures. Now it's stuck @ 1.020 lol.

Can't win with this batch. May have to get more yeast after all.
Bump up the temperature 6-7 degrees, see what happens. Remember it's still a significant under pitch
 
You're a little screwed, here, I think. If it didn't finish out at 72, it's not going to finish out at 68. You've started with an under-pitched, probably under oxygenated yeast colony and it's done all it can. About the only hope would be to make an actual starter and re-pitch. If it was me, I'd try transferring off the trub into a secondary fermenter or drawing some of the yeast trub off with a racking cane and using the trub to do a 24 hour shaken starter and repitch it. You could probably just use a liter of the stuck beer to make the starter. Not much to lose at this point.
 

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