Water profile not working?

[RyPA]

I set my source as RO and target to a NEIPA profile that i created but it appears that the recipe editor is not taking the adjustments into consideration for the individual mineral levels or ph adjustments. Am I doing something wrong?

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1531155/amarillo-strata-vic-secret-neipa

Edit: I got the Target Ion levels to populate by re-selecting the target profile a few times, but my PH is not changing. PH should be around 5.38 based on Bru'n Water calculation.

 

[Mont Y. Märzen]

The recipe link is either private or deleted.

Best I can say is I've rarely found the calc itself not to work (I used the advanced version usually linked from the recipe) though I have seen it not populate the specified salts and acid back to the recipe right away some times. Usually saving the recipe, and re-editing/saving the water calc does the trick. (that also updates the recipe reported pH)

Salts don't adjust pH much, so maybe it has to do with the grain bill. Perhaps try using the button to pull the grain bill back in to the water calc and/or delete and type them in manually to see if that 'unsticks' the calc.

 

[RyPA]

The recipe link is either private or deleted.

Best I can say is I've rarely found the calc itself not to work (I used the advanced version usually linked from the recipe) though I have seen it not populate the specified salts and acid back to the recipe right away some times. Usually saving the recipe, and re-editing/saving the water calc does the trick. (that also updates the recipe reported pH)

Salts don't adjust pH much, so maybe it has to do with the grain bill. Perhaps try using the button to pull the grain bill back in to the water calc and/or delete and type them in manually to see if that 'unsticks' the calc.

Odd, the app said it was shared but on the website it said it wasn’t. The app does not seem to be in sync with the web..I also had an issue with the app not subtracting from inventory when I did a batch.

The recipe should be visible now, and salts do affect ph, specifically baking soda which raises ph.

 

[Mont Y. Märzen]

So this was the water calc in the app that was not working or the website?

And the recipe link till throws a permissions/deleted error. Maybe there is something wrong with the site.

Not sure I can help more. The calc works for me on the website. (as I noted, usually, sometimes I have to save and open it again)

 

[RyPA]

So this was the water calc in the app that was not working or the website?

And the recipe link till throws a permissions/deleted error. Maybe there is something wrong with the site.

Not sure I can help more. The calc works for me on the website. (as I noted, usually, sometimes I have to save and open it again)

I created this recipe on the website. Here's a new link you can try.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1531155/amarillo-strata-vic-secret-neipa

On brew day my ph ended up at 5.4 as expected, but BF shows it as 5.8 regardless of what I do.

 

[Yooper]

I created this recipe on the website. Here's a new link you can try.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1531155/amarillo-strata-vic-secret-neipa

On brew day my ph ended up at 5.4 as expected, but BF shows it as 5.8 regardless of what I do.

When recipes are private, others can’t see them, even with a link, unless you allow sharing when you share the link.

 

[Yooper]

I created this recipe on the website. Here's a new link you can try.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/1531155/amarillo-strata-vic-secret-neipa

On brew day my ph ended up at 5.4 as expected, but BF shows it as 5.8 regardless of what I do.

In any case, I can see it….and I figured out why the pH is not changing. Where you have your water agents, it’s blank, showing no additions:

Which app are you using? It doesn’t seem to be properly syncing with the site.

 

[RyPA]

Yes, I know. I am pretty sure I set it as public on the web as I do with all of my recipes and subsequently adjusted the recipe in the app. Did this inadvertently set it back to private?

Doesn’t selecting a target water accomplish including my additions against my source water?

 

[Yooper]

Yes, I know. I am pretty sure I set it as public on the web as I do with all of my recipes and subsequently adjusted the recipe in the app. Did this inadvertently set it back to private?

Doesn’t selecting a target water accomplish including my additions against my source water?

No, because there is definitely more than one way to get to your target water, while sometime no way to remove, say, bicarbonate by hitting a target. For example, I rarely use magnesium sulfate as malt has plenty of magnesium, and there is no real ‘target’ for magnesium but easy to get too much. So I get my sulfate via calcium sulfate, and sometimes I use more than a target water for calcium to do that. I don’t use other salts sometimes, and I often use phosphoric acid to reduce alkalinity, but there is no target for that either. So while it sounds great, those other calculators that do that will have you add acid to bring down alkalinity but hit a target for alkalinity so have you adding some baking soda, and then more acid to counteract that alkalinity. It’s chasing your own tail, but brewers new to water chemistry don’t realize that the target itself is impossible at times. Adding acid to reduce the pH after you’ve added, say, baking soda, means you’re counteracting what you just added so it’ll precipitate out sometimes (like chalk) or just counteract it so it still doesn’t meet that ‘target’.

The important targets are mash pH, a sparge pH under 6, and the right about of chloride, sulfate and sometimes other ions to get the flavor you are looking for, not an actual water profile.

 

[RyPA]

@Yooper Ok, so I definitely am just using it incorrectly.

Let's say I am using RO water and want to use that as a base, I have a target profile I am after, and I have calculated what additions of Calc Chloride, Gypsum, and baking soda that I want to add through Bru'n Water. How do I enter this into the water section of BF?