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I'm sure it does but it seems to have a big range of characteristics depending on fermentation temperature. Maybe an inexperienced brewer with limited temp control and trying out new ingredients and recipe could benefit from having fewer variables and use a yeast that's predictable and familiar. :)
 
I'm sure it does but it seems to have a big range of characteristics depending on fermentation temperature. Maybe an inexperienced brewer with limited temp control and trying out new ingredients and recipe could benefit from having fewer variables and use a yeast that's predictable and familiar. :)
I sure am in a different climate from a lot of people
But so far in my limited experience, I brew mainly Belgiums and they react very much to temperature.
Their flavour is coming mainly from the yeast. Hops are important, but secondary.
It's one of the things I find fascinating about this hobby
Lots of variables, lots of options
No real right, no real wrong except for sanitation :)
 
I sure am in a different climate from a lot of people
But so far in my limited experience, I brew mainly Belgiums and they react very much to temperature.
Their flavour is coming mainly from the yeast. Hops are important, but secondary.
It's one of the things I find fascinating about this hobby
Lots of variables, lots of options
No real right, no real wrong except for sanitation :)
I made my first Single when it was chilly in the garage during January. It almost had some English characteristics. I want to try another lighter one with a different yeast when it is warm. I get luckier with the temps when I made my Dubbel. That came out very well. I've done three Saisons during the warmer months, and I liked all of those. You are right, the blondes, Singles, Tripels, and Saisons are not that complicated with the grain bill. The Dubbel is another story. A French Saison yeast likes mid 70s once fermentation slows a bit. The Belgian ones you can take into the 80s. My one Belgian Saison was around 82 before I kegged it.
 
I made my first Single when it was chilly in the garage during January. It almost had some English characteristics. I want to try another lighter one with a different yeast when it is warm. I get luckier with the temps when I made my Dubbel. That came out very well. I've done three Saisons during the warmer months, and I liked all of those. You are right, the blondes, Singles, Tripels, and Saisons are not that complicated with the grain bill. The Dubbel is another story. A French Saison yeast likes mid 70s once fermentation slows a bit. The Belgian ones you can take into the 80s. My one Belgian Saison was around 82 before I kegged it.
Some of the English and Belgian strains aren't too far apart. The Abbeys have strains that they've been using for centuries and those are distinct because of the relative isolation. The southeast coast of England is less than 100 miles distance by water to the coast of Belgium. No doubt there's been trade in barleywines and ales for as long as there have been ships and something to drink from . :)
I think there are plenty of the milder Belgian strains that will stay pretty clean and some of the English yeasts that will get pretty intense, depending on temps. I use S-33 for a Belgian Pale and it imparts nearly no spicy-fruity character at typical ale temps. I've never tried to push it to see what it would do in a pretty warm fermentation but it might be interesting. I'm always on the lookout for Antwerp strain yeasts but it's nearly never available. From my understanding that one is extremely "clean" compared to other Belgians and that's something I want to experiment with.
 
I've mostly used what White Labs has because that is what I can get at the brew store. The mild, somewhat clean at low temp was 550. 500 was the one I enjoyed in the Dubbel. I would love to play with something more expressive. I would also like to play around with a more expressive Belgian Saison strain. You can get a little something out of 565 at higher temps, but I would like a little something more. I do like the 590 French strain. Dry as F**k.
 
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I've mostly used what White Labs has because that is what I can get at the brew store. The mild, somewhat clean at low temp was 550. 500 was the one I enjoyed in the Dubbel. I would love to play with something more expressive. I would also like to play around with a more expressive Belgian Saison strain. You can get a little something out of 565 at higher temps, but I would like a little something more. I do like the 590 French strain. Dry as F**k.
I think I might enjoy some of the Saison yeasts...it's mostly the heavy clove of some of the more expressive strains that I have trouble with. The dry Witbier yeasts seem to do well for me in that regard. Enough spice to make it interesting but balances with the lighter fruit esters. The ones I have the most trouble with are some of the big beers that feel like drinking a heavily spiced fruit cake. :)
 
I will shoot for as high as I can go, but I usually only get 68-70. From what I have read though, it should still be fine, just a little more mild on the flavors that come through from the yeast and a little longer fermentation time.
i would try to get north of 90f for knockout temp. I generally shoot for 96 and set my jackets to 100. 96 is a very clean temp for voss imo, but i also over pitch, give it good yeast nutients, and push o2 at knockout. 68 to 70 is really on too cold for voss. it will probably ferment out, but it will not be in its happy place. plus, warmer knockout is far easier then colder unless i am missing something lol.

good luck in general! let us know how it turns out and take detailed notes!

also there are alot of Voss haters out there, join the Voss Side!
#VossGang lol
 
do you have a heater for your fermenter / or a heating pad?
You can pitch this stuff right away when your wort is ~95F. I think maybe even higher but I don’t have a voss handy to check. So only chill your wort down to about 95 and pitch there, maybe even a few degrees higher and insulate it. If you do this, it shouldn’t cool down all the way to room temp as the fermentation will take off hopefully fairly soon and keep the temp up. You could make a starter culture with the yeast to help ensure a quick take off.
i have not found voss to need additional heat, but i am also not brewing in above the tree line(joke). my tank that i pitched voss into gained 7C in roughly 24 hours and dropped over 10p. which is low for voss but it is a sour and i didnt have o2
 
I think I might enjoy some of the Saison yeasts...it's mostly the heavy clove of some of the more expressive strains that I have trouble with. The dry Witbier yeasts seem to do well for me in that regard. Enough spice to make it interesting but balances with the lighter fruit esters. The ones I have the most trouble with are some of the big beers that feel like drinking a heavily spiced fruit cake. :)
I dropped my Dubbel down to 6.4% to make it somewhat more sessionable. That is probably why I liked it that much.
 
They have WLP 565 online that doesn't attenuate well and likes to run hot. I wonder if anyone has some experience with that?
 
i have not found voss to need additional heat, but i am also not brewing in above the tree line(joke). my tank that i pitched voss into gained 7C in roughly 24 hours and dropped over 10p. which is low for voss but it is a sour and i didnt have o2
Fair point! I don’t either in the Texas summer - which is March through end of November. :) But I was under the impression that this was a closet fermentation, possibly lacking in temp control. And by closet fermentation, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I was thinking a heating element might help keep the beer up over room temp. My brewing buddy did a batch of mead with Voss, and only had it at room temp. It did ferment out completely but it took a while to finish, about 2 weeks.
 
Fair point! I don’t either in the Texas summer - which is March through end of November. :) But I was under the impression that this was a closet fermentation, possibly lacking in temp control. And by closet fermentation, not that there’s anything wrong with that.

I was thinking a heating element might help keep the beer up over room temp. My brewing buddy did a batch of mead with Voss, and only had it at room temp. It did ferment out completely but it took a while to finish, about 2 weeks.
honestly i doubt that there would be time for it to cool down before it finished fermenation. Generally at 12 hrs im finding it in the 70s attenuation wise. My glycol likely kicks on overnight and keeps it below 100f but it would def get to 104 if left to its own devices.
 
i would try to get north of 90f for knockout temp. I generally shoot for 96 and set my jackets to 100. 96 is a very clean temp for voss imo, but i also over pitch, give it good yeast nutients, and push o2 at knockout. 68 to 70 is really on too cold for voss. it will probably ferment out, but it will not be in its happy place. plus, warmer knockout is far easier then colder unless i am missing something lol.
Funny thing here is that I have the same experience, but I underpitch dramatically, don't use yeast nutrients and don't add O2 :)
 
Funny thing here is that I have the same experience, but I underpitch dramatically, don't use yeast nutrients and don't add O2 :)
yes, VOSS does like an under pitch
I use lalemand dry version, I've never thought about it until just now, but I could probably pitch half of a packet and have no ill effects.
As I am using dry, the only O2 introduced is the action of pumping it into the fermenter.
I also don't use any yeast nutrient for VOSS like I do for others
 
I have used lallemand and mangrove jack. Not noticing a difference.
First batch underitch, next one on trub so probably overpitch. Also not noticing a difference
 
I have used lallemand and mangrove jack. Not noticing a difference.
First batch underitch, next one on trub so probably overpitch. Also not noticing a difference
Interesting.

Ya my overpitch has been treating me well. Plus the reality is that I'm just splitting at 500g block in half.

I have only used voss from apex. Used horni and opshaug from lalemand.
 

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