Stout problem

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Guys, I was just wondering why my stout turned out too dry with a sour taste. The fermentation temperature was just right at 18°C, and after fermentation, I placed it at 0°C. However, it still turned out sour. I can assure you that all the fermentor tanks were properly cleaned and sanitized.


Is it possible that the water I used wasn’t hard enough?
 
No, water not being hard enough wouldn’t create a sour taste.
 
have you made this recipe before? Care to post? I don’t want to assume anything.
 
Guys, I was just wondering why my stout turned out too dry with a sour taste. The fermentation temperature was just right at 18°C, and after fermentation, I placed it at 0°C. However, it still turned out sour. I can assure you that all the fermentor tanks were properly cleaned and sanitized.


Is it possible that the water I used wasn’t hard enough?
Sour is gonna usually be 1 of 2 things.

1) Wild yeast/ bacteria, so it got infected somehow.
2) excessive acid content. Lots of lactic can make a sour taste, but you would have to add alot
 
Sour is gonna usually be 1 of 2 things.

1) Wild yeast/ bacteria, so it got infected somehow.
2) excessive acid content. Lots of lactic can make a sour taste, but you would have to add alot
We never add any. Check rhe water and its oh is almost 7.
 
This beer you are talking about.

If sour it got infected. Something got in.
I understand that but other beer we produce this doesnt happen onky this stout beer. I mean other beers we uses in the same tanks same procesure in cleaning. Yeast we use is us 5 if fermentis
 
If you use S-05 in a stout, it will be dry. That is what that yeast does, it ferments low and clean. Sour, no. You probably either got infected or had a sour yeast in there before. If you don't want something that dry, try a Guinness strain. That style of yeast works wonderfully in a dark beer.
 
sour would generally be infection based. is it sour like a sour ale? posting the recipe would help diagnose the issue. do you do sour beers in the same tanks? what was the condition of the yeast? yeast handling? A lot of factors in play, but 90% chance it is infection.

with the lower ABV the sour flavors shined through, or the souring bacteria that was in there didnt get killed off by the yeast products and grew.

i assume you are brewing on a larger scale then homebrewing so let us know and we can try to help
 
sour would generally be infection based. is it sour like a sour ale? posting the recipe would help diagnose the issue. do you do sour beers in the same tanks? what was the condition of the yeast? yeast handling? A lot of factors in play, but 90% chance it is infection.

with the lower ABV the sour flavors shined through, or the souring bacteria that was in there didnt get killed off by the yeast products and grew.

i assume you are brewing on a larger scale then homebrewing so let us know and we can try to help
70kgs pale ale
10 kgs choco malt
7kg carafa 80 deg c°


Hops wilamet 4.3 alpha acid
Yeast no. 5
 
If you use S-05 in a stout, it will be dry. That is what that yeast does, it ferments low and clean. Sour, no. You probably either got infected or had a sour yeast in there before. If you don't want something that dry, try a Guinness strain. That style of yeast works wonderfully in a dark beer.
What strain does guinness uses?
 
What strain does guinness uses?
Irish Ale yeast. Imperial Darkness, Wyeast Irish ale, omega 005, WLP004

The amount of roast could be giving you extra dryness and with that yeast some tart. Unless you mean actually sour. That’s a real high percentage of roasted/dark malt I think. A good Guiness clone is only about 10%
 
Irish Ale yeast. Imperial Darkness, Wyeast Irish ale, omega 005, WLP004

The amount of roast could be giving you extra dryness and with that yeast some tart. Unless you mean actually sour. That’s a real high percentage of roasted/dark malt I think. A good Guiness clone is only about 10%
I went back and looked at my latest version of an Oatmeal Porter. I'm only using 7.4% Chocolate 350 and 3.7% Crystal 120. I balance the bitter out by using some Munich. I know the Stouts go a little different on the roast, but not much.
I don't know what Pale Jack is using, but Otter works great... Some Otter, WLP004, EKG & Fuggle, a little balanced roast, and in my case, a little flaked oats, mmmm.
 
I agree with @Josh Hughes...if the taste is just slightly tart, it may be a function of the dark malt and high attenuation. Without your recipe specifics, it's hard to say but a Guinness-style stout can be a little odd-tasting if the numbers are off. If it's very tart, then there's not much explanation other than an infection somewhere.

I just brewed a dry stout and had a somewhat similar result to what it seems you're describing. My usual recipe is a good 2-row with 20 percent Flaked Barley and 10% Roasted Barley. For this last batch I needed to do something different so I had a base wort of Maris Otter and Oats to which I added a good percentage of Dark LME and 10% Roasted Barley, steeped. I always use some Acidulated malt to counteract the PH in my water and but this time I used a small amount of Lactic Acid. I also add Lactic acid to the sparge water to help with PH and efficiency. In this case, I was pretty much winging it.
In this batch I used Phoenix hops, though I usually use Willamette, as you've used. I used Nottingham yeast (along with S-04 a much better choice than US-05 for the style, BTW).

The resulting beer, even though the attenuation wasn't particularly high, was slightly harsh with notes that you could describe as sour. Everyone's palate is different - my wife always describes Belgian beers as sour though I know that what's she's getting is a combination of the spice and citrus notes in the yeast profile. In the case of this stout, I knew there was definitely nothing biologically sour in the flavor because I had used a brand new fermenter and the lactobacillus in my environment is very distinct and very noticeable.

I knew that the extract in the fermentables didn't leave as much malt "backbone" and that the steeped grain left more of a harsh, slightly bitter roast note and the Phoenix hops tend to have some citrus-y herbal notes along with some chocolate. All of those things were leaving the impression of tartness. While the beer wasn't bad, it definitely seemed out of balance and, as mentioned, very slightly tart and with a slightly thin mouthfeel, which definitely contributes to the impression, in my experience.

My solution was to add more malt flavor and slight sweetness in the form of a fairly small amount of malt soda, poured into the keg. I used 28 ounces of Malta Goya (because that's how much I had) in a 5 gallon keg and it turned out to be the perfect balance. The beer went from okay to quite good. The very slight increase in sweetness (forgivably, just a touch more than I'd prefer, in a perfect world) and the definite addition of malty notes killed the impression of tartness from the hops and water additions and really smoothed and enhanced the chocolate notes from the roast and hops. It turned out to be very smooth, rich and flavorful. It kept the basic character of fairly light body and dry finish but definitely had a rich, malty base for the dark roast and bitter hop notes to rest on.

I had carbed-capped a sample from the excess as I was kegging so I had a before and after to compare directly. Really interesting to experience the distinct difference that the small change made in the overall flavor.
 
Irish Ale yeast. Imperial Darkness, Wyeast Irish ale, omega 005, WLP004

The amount of roast could be giving you extra dryness and with that yeast some tart. Unless you mean actually sour. That’s a real high percentage of roasted/dark malt I think. A good Guiness clone is only about 10%
that is what i was wondering to be honest.

way over the recommended %
 

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