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Recently started BiAB. My recipe called for an OG of 1.071. It ended up at 1.046. What could cause that? I know the starch in the grains aren’t being fully converted but why? Not mashing long enough?

One other BiAB did the same thing, so at least I’m consistent!
 
It may well be the crush.
You can crush much finer for biab.
If you buy your grains crushed, make sure you mention it is for biab, or ask for double crushed.

Mash and mash temperatures can be an issue.
As can draining the bag. Sparging can help.

Maybe give us a detailed description of your process and we should be able to give you some pointers ;)
 
I'll refer you to this novella I penned recently:

https://www.brewersfriend.com/forum/threads/not-hitting-og.17596/post-208846

That should about cover it!

(but if you're off 25pts, I'd suspect measurement error, grain crush, mash temp first)

And for 'measurement error' I'm referring to specifically not cooling the sample to the calibration temperature of your hydrometer. Most modern types are calibrated at 60℉, some older ones are done at 68℉. The hydrometer itself should tell you somewhere on the internal paper. Also, *never* shake one dry, the paper will move inside and it will then be useless without first establishing a correction factor.
 
Recently started BiAB. My recipe called for an OG of 1.071. It ended up at 1.046. What could cause that? I know the starch in the grains aren’t being fully converted but why? Not mashing long enough?

One other BiAB did the same thing, so at least I’m consistent!
Did you stir it before measure? I have seen differences like that from simple settling
 
Well thats big beer which often get less efficient conversion in my experience but not that much. Are you sure about your liquid volume ?
 
What equipment are you using?

I had some initial trouble going to BIAB but I’ve picked up some lessons along the way.

You do need a finer crush with BIAB. Blichman recommends a “credit card” width between the grain mill rollers. If you’re using a drill to power the mill, SLOW the speed down or you’ll send bunches of uncrushed grain through. I will double crush some larger batches.

Use rice hulls if you have any wheat, rye or if you have a large mash bill. The mash may not be draining or flowing well enough to get a good extraction. It needs to drain well. As you mash, the temperature will vary in the mash bed, after discussing with Blichmann, I lift the malt pipe & bag out, let it drain back into the all in one for about 30-60 seconds, reseat, stir up the grains and get them fully immersed, resume recirculation. I find the temperature can drop on the Anvil about 3 degrees, so the mash is probably a bit cooler than this. I do this every 12-15 minutes.
I monitor with a refractometer like this : https://www.amazon.com/Refractomete...=refractometer&sprefix=refract,aps,138&sr=8-3

This is within 0.003 of my 2 Tilts.
I typically mash for 75-90 minutes to meet my targets on bigger beers.

do you mash out? vourlauf? sparge?
if not, these can help your extraction efficiency. Without the sparge, I found that a 10.5 Anvil with a typical 5 gallon recipe I would ned about 1# more base malt to make my targets.

Doing a mash out, lift the malt basket & vourlauf and then sparge, I typically can do a 6 gallon batch or very close to 6 gallons with the same mash bill.
And as @Brew Cat suggested, the bigger the beer, the more efficiency you’ll lose in a smaller kettle - the 10 gallon class units. I use an Anvil 18 for mostly 5-6 gallon batches, and sparge using a 10 gallon electric kettle. I can get into the 1.070’s easily with this setup where the 10 gallon was more of a challenge.
 
Ok I’m back. Let’s see if I can answer the questions asked…

Equipment: 6 gal kettle, bag, good digital thermometer, 6 gal bucket fermenter. Standard stuff, nothing fancy

Recipe was found here but scaled down for 3 gal batch

Grain bill: 3.5 lb Red Wheat, 1.75 Pilsner, 0.5 Munich 10L

Grains were crushed by the store for biab.

Target temp was 150*. I stayed closer to 152, but was +\- 2*.

60 minute mash, which was likely too short.

Stirred during mash. No clumps. Good saturation.

No mash-out

Did sparge, but not with hot water

Youve asked about liquid volume. I’m not sure what volume we’re asking about.

Thanks!
 
many recipes I see on here are suspect. Go back to the recipe and look if it tells you their efficiency. Copy the recipe and input your system efficiency. Also your ending volume has to be accurate like mentioned above.
 
Ok I’m back. Let’s see if I can answer the questions asked…

Equipment: 6 gal kettle, bag, good digital thermometer, 6 gal bucket fermenter. Standard stuff, nothing fancy

Recipe was found here but scaled down for 3 gal batch

Grain bill: 3.5 lb Red Wheat, 1.75 Pilsner, 0.5 Munich 10L

Grains were crushed by the store for biab.

Target temp was 150*. I stayed closer to 152, but was +\- 2*.

60 minute mash, which was likely too short.

Stirred during mash. No clumps. Good saturation.

No mash-out

Did sparge, but not with hot water

Youve asked about liquid volume. I’m not sure what volume we’re asking about.

Thanks!
Looks normal. Here are only things I see

1) if the LHBS will double crush, do it. Well worth a couple bucks.

2) 152F is Well within temp, try 148. It won't really effect your OG, but you will get a more fermentable wort. It's a fun experiment.

3) don't forget to edit your equipment profile for efficiency. everybody's setup is different and will effect your gravity expectations more than anything you can change
 
well probably should crush your own so you can eliminate crush variables. Double crush is fine and will increase efficiency but that also can be a problem. When I switched to BIAB my efficiency increased and threw all my recipes off so dialed it back with a lesser crush. I've noticed many recipes on BYO which sometimes I'll try are 70-75% so that's what I shoot for
 
Your mash bill and temp seem ok, I vote buy the refractometer and keep an eye out for your gravity during the mash. Don’t just mash for 60 minutes and go. using the recipe builder here, you can see the expected gravity pre-boil and post boil based on what efficiency you plug in. If you don’t vourlauf/sparge, an all in one / BIAB system is good for 65-ish % efficiency. Add in a good mash out, vourlauf and sparge and you can get 70+ easy. My best is 81% in the mash ( using the recipe builder to calculate from where I ended up ). That’s not precise but it’s good enough for what I need to be able to establish base lines for next brews of that kind.

If simplicity is part of the goal, you can accept the efficiency hit and calculate a slightly lower efficiency to make your targets. If you notice you’re way off, you have a few options.

if you’re too low, you can extend the mash, measuring with the refractometer. generally, I take a few readings starting about 30-40 minutes in and every time I stir / pull and reseat the malt pipe. When it’s stable reading for 2 consecutive checks, I check one last time to make sure I’m seeing what I think I am and if so, I mash out. As I mentioned before, on bigger gravity expressions I rarely get my pre-boil numbers in 60 minutes, but more like 75-90.
So if you’re done- the gravity isn’t increasing and you’re still low, you can add some DME, stir, wait, stir again and get a new reading, then boil.

If you’re too high, thin it out with water. A little goes a long way, so don’t go too far.
 
many recipes I see on here are suspect. Go back to the recipe and look if it tells you their efficiency. Copy the recipe and input your system efficiency. Also your ending volume has to be accurate like mentioned above.
+1
If this is your actual Grain bill, 1.071 is only achievable with 100% efficiency. You're still low, but not as low as you think you are. I build my recipes at 72% and I get an OG of 1.051 with the same grain bill you posted.


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Also, your recipe should raise some red flags if you're brewing a kolsh. The BJCP vital stats range is 1.044 - 1.050 and you're shooting for 1.071?
1. Start looking at your recipe designer settings, specifically the efficiency.
2. Make sure you have an equipment profile configured properly in your recipe designer, boil off rate, grain absorption rate, etc.
 

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