BIAB efficiency

Pete Tulalip WA

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I'm brewing on a 10 gallon Claw Hammer BIAB system and have very low conversion efficiency (~52-54%). I run the recirculation mode full time during the mash and have tried stirring the mash periodically but no real change in efficiency. I know BIAB systems are traditionally lower efficiency but I was expecting something closer to low 60's. A friend that crushes the grains for me also brews on a 10 gallon BIAB system get gets mid to upper 60% efficiency with the same crush settings so I don't think it's the crush.
Any suggestions?
 
Next time you are there, take a feeler gauge and measure the crush gap.

I used to live in tacoma, drove by tulalip many times
 
I’ve been doing BIAB several years on 1st an anvil 10 and for the last 15-16-ish months, an anvil 18.

What brews? 10 gallon systems can do a 6-7%abv beer with care, but going up in grain amount decreases efficiency from there. It would help to understand your process too.

First, I’ll +1 @Minbari. You need a fine, consistent crush on your grains for BIAB. Think “credit card” width between the rollers. If the grain won’t feed at this depth, you either need to widen the gap and double crush or get another grain crusher. Pils, 2 row, Munich, Vienna tend to run through my old 2 roller at a slightly larger gap and needed double crushing. Rye on the other hand is much smaller and wouldn’t even get crushed in the first setting needed for my old 2 roller to do normal sized grains. I got past this with a new grain mill.


- use rice hulls. They add no flavor to the beer, and allows the grains to flow & drain better. This will be really useful if / when you add in sparging. Still helpful even if you don’t sparge.
- I usually pick up a few gravity points on the wort with a 10 minutes at 170 mash out and another 10 lifting the basket and washing the wort through the grains.
* Verify your temperature control. If you got to mash out and the temp drops unexpectedly, it won’t ‘help’ the gravity. I say this because on my anvil
18 I typically reduce the power setting to about 45% to avoid E3 errors. If I forget to increase the power at mash out, the temp won’t hold.
- if you aren’t using a refractometer, get one. Monitor the mash and adjust the recirc. flow as needed to avoid a stuck mash. Mash until you’re hitting your numbers, not for a set amount of time. If it takes 90 minutes to hit the target, mash 90 minutes. I usually begin the mash out when I get 2 consistent refractometer readings in a row with no increase in gravity. Make sure you are using the refractometer correctly and know it may be off of your hydrometer(s).
- Temperature in the center of the grains can and will be lower than right by the heating element and right on top where the recirc wort is warming the grains. I see about a 2-4F temp difference...
- The anvil folks advised to lift the basket completely out periodically, reseat, stir the grains, restart the recirc. This helps.
Using these - except the rice hulls, on the Anvil 10, I got a consistent 60-63% efficiency, or about enough to take a typical recipe quoted online with a 72% efficiency, and add +1 pound of base malt to get very close to target gravity. I didn’t start adopting rice hulls until working with larger grain bills and rye.
- Now, I use the Anvil 18 mostly for 6 - 6.5 gallon batches. I do a slightly larger batch to accommodate for the sediment at the bottom of the kettle. When I t/f to the fermenter, I typically have a minimum of 5.5 gallons of clear wort, most of the time 6 gallons. If I do everything right, I can eclipse 78% efficiency with typical 11-13# grain bills.
- consider a sparge. Even a small one. This helps efficiency. I now mash and boil in the anvil 18, but I keep sparge water in the anvil 10. It lengthens the brew day, but I get better efficiency mashing the grains and the beer is a better product. On the A18, I typically mash in 6.75-7.25 gallons of water, and sparge about 3-4 gallons depending on the grain bill, how big, etc.
 
I use stove top and sparge.
I have my efficiency set to 73%
Crush is definitely important.
I cant say anything about claw hammers or anvil systems as I've never used them
 
I don't use a Claw Hammer. I use a normal, simple setup - single vessel. Mine is normally in the 60s.
It would help to see the recipe. The one thing I notice with mine is the adjuncts. Adjuncts do not ferment worth a shit in my setup. I set-up the flaked stuff as non-fermentable in my recipes to get a better idea. One thing that does seem to help just a tad is a longer mash. I started doing a 70 minute mash. Look carefully at your boil off rate. That might also make a big difference.
With respect to the adjuncts and efficiency, I saw a discussion not long ago about it being due to Ph in a brew in a bag setup. Brew in a Bag has a very high water to grain ratio. I don't know the science, but it seems to be as reasonable as anything else.
Are you stirring well when adding grain? If it clumps, that will make a difference, but I don't sparge. I add grain, put the top on, drink a beer, listen to music, and drain the bag 70 minutes later.
 
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My main reason for sparging is not the efficiency, but the volume.
I only have a 10 litre pot and with a sparge I can get 8-9 litre beer at the time
I do mash longer though. Generally 1.5 to 2 hours, sometimes longer
 
My main reason for sparging is not the efficiency, but the volume.
I only have a 10 litre pot and with a sparge I can get 8-9 litre beer at the time
I do mash longer though. Generally 1.5 to 2 hours, sometimes longer
Its efficiency too. if you rinse more sugar off the grain with a sparge at the end, then you get more wort. more wort, same grain = higher efficiency
 
I get 72% average with my bag. I use a full volume kettle so I’m not sure about the all in ones. I sparge a few quarts usually though but just to cool bag so I can squeeze the hell out of it.
 
I'm brewing on a 10 gallon Claw Hammer BIAB system and have very low conversion efficiency (~52-54%). I run the recirculation mode full time during the mash and have tried stirring the mash periodically but no real change in efficiency. I know BIAB systems are traditionally lower efficiency but I was expecting something closer to low 60's. A friend that crushes the grains for me also brews on a 10 gallon BIAB system get gets mid to upper 60% efficiency with the same crush settings so I don't think it's the crush.
Any suggestions?
I brew on a 240v 20g clawhammer. I have my efficiency set to 68%. When everything goes right, that's pretty much the exact number I hit. I double crush and do as thin of mash as I can. Honestly I was thinking 68% was kinda light, but after reading this thread it appears to be as good as I can expect out of the system.

I have done slightly better than 68% with a quick couple gallon "sparge" (I'm just pouring a couple gallons through the grain basket as it's elevated to get to my volume)
 
Its efficiency too. if you rinse more sugar off the grain with a sparge at the end, then you get more wort. more wort, same grain = higher efficiency
True, Obviously
But thats an added advantage. Not the main reason why I sparge
 

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