use distilled water or 50/50, I use a double carbon filter

at 2 minutes whirlpool until the temp reaches 190 then chill thats just to get the cascade to barely hide the some of the strong malt biscuit flavor

you can use victory instead of biscuit, will taste the same

I ended up filtering this with a 5/1 micron filter to get a very clean light but slightly malty drinking beer just for hot days you don't want to get too tired.

the flavor will mellow down after about 1 to 2 weeks of conditioning with virtually no hop flavor but has a perfect balance and very drinkable

now in order to get the high malt and biscuit flavor you will need to steep accordingly

mill your gains fine with at least 10% flower, start your water cold, add your steeping bag then slowly heat the pot up to 155, leave it at 155 for 20 minutes dunking and bobbing at least 4 times then drain after time is up and add the DME, stir hard to get the DME dissolved while heating up to the boil, add the bittering hops then after the hot break your set :)